Subject: Re: Zappa Over-rated pt II
Author: John P.
Date: 8 Jul
Ref:

"Flinstoneyerfired" <mmurph@onlink.net> wrote in a message

>> Well... having value to the person who wrote it would indicate a very
>> limited value. For it to have value outside of that, it has to be known.

> What if that person was Jeffrey Dahmer and the music managed to heal
> him somehow? What if the writer of the music is moved enough by it
> that he doesn't commit suicide and discovers the cure for cancer? I
> know- I'm a complete dipshit, but who knows what music has been able
> to do in the lives of other people. I only know what it's done for me-
> not that I'm capable of writing anything that is of value. I think it
> exists without the listener as a kind of spirit and that when it is
> heard, it can perform miracles. I think I have to believe that.

If a tree plays a song in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it
make a sound? :-)

> It's all about how we view the word value. There's many different
> kinds of value- you have described one kind. I spoke about another
> kind- there are others. Music can teach, it can inform, it can
> accompany and set the mood for other activities, yadda yadda yadda ad
> infinitum.

Much agreed.

> What's interesting is that consumers accepted that system up until
> Napster.

Perhaps because they had no choice. Pirates have been doing their thing for
quite a while. You used to have to get :in" with the right group. You had to
work in steps. Each one lead to greater treasures. Napster put then end of
the rainbow with the pot of gold within easy reach of anyone with a computer
and a connection. The music industry could have as easily done the same, but
chose not to. As a matter of fact, with almost every technological step, the
music industry has blown it and missed the boat initially.

> I love Kiss- Ace rules! What people never really got about them was
> that they made some pretty kickass tunes, although their hit/miss
> ratio got a lot lower on albums like Love Gun (IMHO).

I didn't like anything they didn't do live.

I did read "Behind the Mask" (I think that was the title) and found it very
interesting. I also read Slash's book not too long ago. He was, at once,
exactly what I expected, and, at the same time, nothing like what I
expected.




Zappa Over-rated pt II
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5 Jul|        |     |  |        \ Rick N. Backer
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4 Jul|        |     |        \ Rick N. Backer
5 Jul|        |     |           \ John P.
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6 Jul|        |        |        |- Rick N. Backer
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6 Jul|        |        |        \ Don Evans
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5 Jul|        |                 \ John P.
5 Jul|        |                    \ Rick N. Backer
6 Jul|        |                       \ John P.
6 Jul|        |                          \ RichL
6 Jul|        |                             \ John P.
6 Jul|        |                                \ Les Cargill
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5 Jul         \ John P.
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5 Jul            |     \ Rick N. Backer
5 Jul            \ Rick N. Backer
6 Jul               \ John P.
6 Jul                  \ RichL
6 Jul                     |- John P.
6 Jul                     \ Rick N. Backer
6 Jul                        \ John P.