Subject: Re: Zappa Over-rated pt II
Author: RichL
Date: 7 Jul
Ref:

John P. <JohnP@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Flinstoneyerfired" <mmurph@onlink.net> wrote in a message
>
>> There's a few different ways to approach that question. What I meant
>> by substantial is that the music seems to have had resonance with
>> people in some way- intellectually or emotionally. The man has been
>> dead since 1993- he's had very little press (mind you the Zappa does
>> Zappa tour has had an impact)- why are we talking about a man whose
>> musical peak may have occurred some time in the seventies? Simply
>> because there's something there to talk about, don't you think? Much
>> different than Amy Winehouse- she has yet to make her mark- she's
>> good copy/press fodder. We all like to see a good car wreck.
>
> There is no doubt Zappa intended, on many occasions, to create
> controversy. Do we discuss him 30 years later because his work was
> "substantial", or because it was controversial? Does the answer to
> that question matter, or does it only matter that we do discuss him?
>
> Zappa had a pretty clear message... is it a negative that people are
> more apt to discuss the controversy rather than the message?

Can you really separate the controversy from the message, though? Isn't
it part of the message, in a way?

> Which is one of the reasons I so much love the internet, and Usenet.
> Music has moved into a new era where there isn't a small handful of
> people who decide what we will hear. One has access to every type of
> music available from every artist who chooses to put his/her stuff
> out there. There's almost a downside to that, in that it has grown so
> large, one may miss something for simple lack of clicking on a single
> link among the millions available.

There's another downside also: lack of common ground.

I started playing guitar in 1963, and during the '60s rock musicians
were all basically hearing the same things. So if you ran into a
handful of musicians, chances were that you all knew many songs in
common. You'd get asked to sit in, and you could pull it off without
missing a beat.

The net provides the diversity that was missing somewhat then (although
stations played a variety of different sounding stuff on the radio), but
genres have fractionated to the extent that, of the subset of people
posting here who play any sort of *current* music, I'd be willing to bet
that there isn't much overlap among them. So the net is good, and the
net is bad. Overall good, I'd say, but there's some experiences that I
had the pleasure to be part of that the younger folks will miss out on.




Zappa Over-rated pt II
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5 Jul|        |     |  |        |  \ John P.
5 Jul|        |     |  |        \ Rick N. Backer
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4 Jul|        |     |- John P.
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4 Jul|        |     |     \ John P.
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4 Jul|        |     |        \ Rick N. Backer
5 Jul|        |     |           \ John P.
4 Jul|        |     \ Flinstoneyerfi…
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6 Jul|        |        |     |     |     |- John P.
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8 Jul|        |        |     |     |                    |           \ RichL
7 Jul|        |        |     |     |                    \ Rick N. Backer
8 Jul|        |        |     |     |                       \ John P.
8 Jul|        |        |     |     |                          \ Rick N. Backer
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6 Jul|        |        |     \ John P.
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6 Jul|        |        |        |  \ John P.
6 Jul|        |        |        |- Rick N. Backer
6 Jul|        |        |        |  \ John P.
6 Jul|        |        |        \ Don Evans
6 Jul|        |        |           |- John P.
6 Jul|        |        |           \ Renli
7 Jul|        |        |              \ Rick N. Backer
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6 Jul|        |           |     |        |- Rick N. Backer
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5 Jul|        |           \ John P.
5 Jul|        |              \ Les Cargill
5 Jul|        |                 \ John P.
5 Jul|        |                    \ Rick N. Backer
6 Jul|        |                       \ John P.
6 Jul|        |                          \ RichL
6 Jul|        |                             \ John P.
6 Jul|        |                                \ Les Cargill
6 Jul|        |                                   \ John P.
6 Jul|        |                                      |- Les Cargill
6 Jul|        |                                      |  \ John P.
7 Jul|        |                                      \ Renli
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6 Jul|                       \ Renli
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5 Jul|     \ Flinstoneyerfi…
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4 Jul|     \ Dr. Zontar
5 Jul|        \ John P.
4 Jul|- B. Goode
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5 Jul      \ Les Cargill
5 Jul         \ John P.
5 Jul            |- Les Cargill
5 Jul            |  \ John P.
5 Jul            |     \ Rick N. Backer
5 Jul            \ Rick N. Backer
6 Jul               \ John P.
6 Jul                  \ RichL
6 Jul                     |- John P.
6 Jul                     \ Rick N. Backer
6 Jul                        \ John P.