On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:22:33 -0400, Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com>
did courageously avow:
>Renli wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 5:14 am, "Don Evans" <gtrdonev...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Likely, these same people feel the need to wear their
>>>> clothing labels on the outside. Zappa was exactly the type of artist
>>>> who would attract these clowns. They get more from saying "I get
>>>> Zappa and I don't like that mainstream crap", then they actually do
>>>> from listening to his music, or appreciating his work.
>>> And you know this ... how? I really haven't seen a lot of posts saying that
>>> "I get Zappa *and* I don't like that mainstream crap". Rather, I've seen
>>> guys saying they get some aspect or other about Zappa and his music.
>>
>> Most of the people.. ahem.. "defending" zappa in lieu of his own
>> words, don't present logical arguments or respond to the points made.
>>
>> In extreme cases (like Nil for instance), they actually start lying
>> about what was said and about the poster "putting down" their favorite
>> artist.
>>
>
>
>That's because when we're presented with the information
>you've provided, the only possible conclusion is
>that you simply don't understand.
>
>If you don't understand it, you really can't have an "opinion"
>per se. There's nothing wrong with not understanding something.
>But there is something wrong with holding forth an opinion based
>on ... nothing.
>
>For example, I don't understand the game cricket. And I will
>say "I don't understand cricket" if forced to comment on it. And
>that is as far as it goes. If you'd said "I don't get it", I'd a'
>chuckled - been there, done that. That's a perfectly reasonable
>response.
>
>> So how does he know? Well, because it's easy to tell what kind of
>> person "likes" frank zappa, thats why. If you can see it. It's
>> difficult to see such a thing from the "inside", if you catch my
>> drift. But it's obvious to "outsiders".
>>
>
>That's actually a valid criticism. But it's inherent to the structure
>of Zappa's work - which consists of a system of interlocking inside
>jokes. It's just part of the deal. It makes the work less
>accessible, but that wasn't a real high priority.
It may have been his priority that the music be less accessible so
those who use their heads as cinder blocks for keeping their ears
apart would stand removed and apart from it and would be readily
distinguishable from the more promising members of society. I present
exhibit 'A', Renli.
>
>>> What I find interesting is that somehow the quality of art is being found to
>>> be nothing more than opinion. It's a view very reflective of modern times,
>>> but IMO it's just another part of the dumbing down of society.
>>
>> Thats a very dangerous and subjective conclusion you've reached.
>>
>> -
>
>It's also probably true. What it refers to is dangerous; stating it
>isn't.
Ken Wilson
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Frank Zappa, Austin, Texas, May 1975
