John P. <JohnP@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Don Evans" <gtrdonevans@aol.com> wrote in a message
>
>>> Aside from that, there is some segment of people that claim to like
>>> or "get" an artist, because they are trying to create an impression
>>> of themselves.
>
>> Couldn't it just be because they do ... get it?
>
> Yup... it sure could be. As you may have noted, by reading what I
> wrote; "there is some segment of people" ... meaning this is a group
> of people, not all people. The people who fit into that group are
> those who match the characteristics of that group. If they fail to
> meet those characteristics, they do not belong to that group.
Totally incoherent.
"People belong to a group unless they don't"?
>> What you seem to be saying here is that you think there isn't
>> anything to get.
>
> Actually, the people I was ragging on are those who don't actually
> get it, but feel the need to say they do. I suggested this same group
> is the type who needs to wear their clothing labels on the outside.
Which is a totally irrational reach on your part. You're making an
assumption, and simply by stating it outright you assume that you have
reached some sort of truth.
What you have done is fooled yourself. But not us.
> That doesn't refer to everyone who claims to "get it". It possibel
> that some people who "get it", still don't like Zappa's music. Zappa
> was pretty clear in his message. As I mentioned previously, "getting
> it" wasn't rocket science.
Apparently it is, since you've missed it.
>>> Likely, these same people feel the need to wear their
>>> clothing labels on the outside. Zappa was exactly the type of artist
>>> who would attract these clowns. They get more from saying "I get
>>> Zappa and I don't like that mainstream crap", then they actually do
>>> from listening to his music, or appreciating his work.
>
>> And you know this ... how?
>
> From meeting and talking to thousands of people over my lifetime. Are
> you honestly telling me you've never met anyone who felt the need to
> wear their clothing labels on the outside? You've never heard of
> designer label clothes? You've never heard of a poser? Everyone
> you've talked to over the course of your entire life has been an
> honest, straight up, pillar of society?
>
> Bullshit.
Which has nothing whatsoever with Zappa except that you've attempted to
connect it. It's an attempt to force a stereotype, but you've failed
miserably because you've shown no connection whatsoever.
>> I really haven't seen a lot of posts saying that "I get Zappa
>> *and* I don't like that mainstream crap". Rather, I've seen guys
>> saying they get some aspect or other about Zappa and
>> his music.
>
> Hopefully this isn't news to you, but there are millions of people
> who exist outside of Usenet.
Most of whom appear to me to be capable of reasoning on a much higher
plane than you do.
>>> While I can, and do, respect other's opinions and
>>> the work of artists I may not particularly care for,
>>> I have no respect for these type of people. Their
>>> opinions are meaningless, because even *they*
>>> don't believe them. They are simply parroting a
>>> line in the hopes of making you believe they are
>>> something they are not.
>
>> And, evidently, people who get what Zappa was doing are all this
>> kind of people ... or isn't that what you were saying.
>
> Just read it and take it at face value. There are *some* people who
> are posers. Period. *Some* of these people who fall into that group,
> may like Frank Zappa, or claim to, and some may not. It has nothing
> to do with Zappa.
So why even bring it up except to fraudulently imply that there is some
sort of connection between "posers" and Zappa?
>> And, of course, that doesn't include you. ;-)
>
> Correct. What I wear, what I drive, the music I like, is not based on
> me attempting to create an illusion I am something I am not. I feel
> no need to wear my clothing labels on the outside. I feel no need to
> tell anyone how much money I spent on something.
And you don't like Zappa. So stop trying to pretend that there's some
larger issue here.
